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WHY does it matter what Diff you do it in. – Tennessee Ernie Ford ( TEF) 18:50, 9 December 2011 (UTC) 217.129.113.149 18:38, 9 December 2011 (UTC) While I agree that this quest is tedious, if you want to suggest a fix or improvement, please create an account and submit your idea officially. And the same applies to the vanquish, not only the HM quest.
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It's harder than everything that comes after. Minister Cho's Estate is possibly the hardest HM quest for WoC so far, and there's no reasons for it. At Minister Cho's Estate, I must basically say to my buddy: we can't do it together, sorry. At least, with a party of 8, I can take with me a buddy or two and still abuse the heroes. If things are supposed to be challenging, the solution is easy: make the 8-man party areas harder, and give us a discount in 4-man party areas, where not everyone will have enough slots for overpowered heroes. And there's still the problem with the over-reliance on meta hero builds, making it nearly impossible to play with buddies. If the 5-man group of mobs were only present in, say, a few key locations (like near the NPCs), they would still be equally hard, but much less repetitive. We know it's supposed to be "challenging", but that's not the core problem of this quest. Should ANet implement a Black Beast of Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuughhhh summoning stone, instead of relying on mysterious ones? Once more, yes. Can it be done in hard mode using a boatload of cons, a summoning stone, and some abusive tactics? Again, yes. Can it be done with one person, three heroes, and a little concentration? Also yes. What's needed now is for Anet to throw us a crumb, and say "Sorry guys and gals, it was intended as a challenge but not to be this damaging to fun in GW." Morgaine 14:32, 9 December 2011 (UTC) So much has been written about this dreadful quest that it's pretty pointless saying more. Each battle takes too long (considering the amount of groups you have to battle in your way), and you must abuse the system (heroes).
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It's a 4-man area against groups of five. This is possibly the hardest (and dullest) quest of the entire WoC content so far, but without reason, considering it's just supposed to be a simple quest with simple (weak) rewards in the middle of something bigger (the entire WoC). I understand that WoC HM content is supposed to be hard, but couldn't this extreme reliance on heroes just be left to 6-8 man areas? 217.129.113.149 00:18, 30 November 2011 (UTC) So we either do it individually with three OP heroes, or we don't. Just so happens that me and my buddy use those professions. Maybe even 3 if your main profession is sub-optiomal for HM (ele, ranger). In order to beat it, you need 4 optimal builds.
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Rescue at Minister Cho's Estate (hm) can't be done with buddies 37 Wintersday Grab Bag can give mini polar bear?.30 Loot has to be fixed, regardless of gw2 status.16 Phantoms, Clones & Summoned Creatures.4 AB this weekend had 4 american districts!.1 Rescue at Minister Cho's Estate (hm) can't be done with buddies.